Situasjonen i Ukraina Del 3
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Re: Situasjonen i Ukraina Del 3
The total combat losses of Russian troops in Ukraine from February 24, 2022, to August 24, 2024, amounted to about 606,490 people, including 1,160 people in the last day.
Also, the Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed 8,542 (+9) Russian tanks, 16,620 (+21) armored combat vehicles, 17,349 (+42) artillery systems, 1,169 (+2) MLRS, 935 (+3) air defense systems, 367 (+0) aircraft, and 328 (+0) helicopters, Operational and tactical level UAVs - 14,064 (+39), cruise missiles - 2,444 (+2), ships/boats - 28 (+0), submarines - 1 (+0), vehicles and tankers - 23,383 (+54), special equipment - 2,911 (+1).
Also, the Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed 8,542 (+9) Russian tanks, 16,620 (+21) armored combat vehicles, 17,349 (+42) artillery systems, 1,169 (+2) MLRS, 935 (+3) air defense systems, 367 (+0) aircraft, and 328 (+0) helicopters, Operational and tactical level UAVs - 14,064 (+39), cruise missiles - 2,444 (+2), ships/boats - 28 (+0), submarines - 1 (+0), vehicles and tankers - 23,383 (+54), special equipment - 2,911 (+1).
Big George skrev: ↑søn aug 25, 2024 9:17 pm The total combat losses of Russian troops in Ukraine from February 24, 2022, to August 24, 2024, amounted to about 606,490 people, including 1,160 people in the last day.
Also, the Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed 8,542 (+9) Russian tanks, 16,620 (+21) armored combat vehicles, 17,349 (+42) artillery systems, 1,169 (+2) MLRS, 935 (+3) air defense systems, 367 (+0) aircraft, and 328 (+0) helicopters, Operational and tactical level UAVs - 14,064 (+39), cruise missiles - 2,444 (+2), ships/boats - 28 (+0), submarines - 1 (+0), vehicles and tankers - 23,383 (+54), special equipment - 2,911 (+1).
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Hva med ta med ukrainske tap?
Hvorfor taper Ukraina terreng?
Ukraina gjør nå Russland en tjeneste med å angripe Russland. (Kursk) Og forbyr den russisk ortodokse kirke.
Den enorme anti russiske agendaen gjør det lett for Russland å mobilisere mot Ukraina.
Nato har et stort ansvar her.
Dette er en krig for demontering av Russland.
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Ukraine advances another 1-3 km, captures 2 more settlements in Russia's Kursk Oblast, Zelensky say
Ukrainian forces have advanced 1 to 3 kilometers in some areas of Russia's Kursk Oblast, further capturing two more settlements in the region, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his evening address on Aug. 25.
Zelensky, who received the information from Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi, did not detail which settlements were captured by Ukrainian forces, but did note that fighting is ongoing to capture one additional settlement.
Ukraine started its incursion into Russia's Kursk Oblast on Aug. 6.
As of Aug. 20, the Ukrainian military said it controlled 1,263 square kilometers (488 square miles) and 93 settlements, including the town of Sudzha. The numbers do not account for the additional advancements made up to Aug. 25, which have not yet been provided by Ukraine's military.
Ukrainian forces have advanced 1 to 3 kilometers in some areas of Russia's Kursk Oblast, further capturing two more settlements in the region, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his evening address on Aug. 25.
Zelensky, who received the information from Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi, did not detail which settlements were captured by Ukrainian forces, but did note that fighting is ongoing to capture one additional settlement.
Ukraine started its incursion into Russia's Kursk Oblast on Aug. 6.
As of Aug. 20, the Ukrainian military said it controlled 1,263 square kilometers (488 square miles) and 93 settlements, including the town of Sudzha. The numbers do not account for the additional advancements made up to Aug. 25, which have not yet been provided by Ukraine's military.
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Her provoserer russisk skip utenfor norskekysten
Isbryteren Dudinka på vei langs norskekysten la søndag kveld inn en rute som kan ligne på det russiske tegnet «Z», som signaliserer russisk seier i krigen i Ukraina.
Cirka klokken 17.20 norsk tid søndag, endret skipet kurs fra vest til nordøst, for deretter å ta en ny kraftig kursendring klokken 19.40, der skipet satte kursen mot sørvest. Da denne artikkelen ble publisert, litt før klokken 22 søndag kveld, hadde disse skarpe kursendringene tegnet en seilrute som var mistenkelig kjent.
Isbryteren Dudinka på vei langs norskekysten la søndag kveld inn en rute som kan ligne på det russiske tegnet «Z», som signaliserer russisk seier i krigen i Ukraina.
Cirka klokken 17.20 norsk tid søndag, endret skipet kurs fra vest til nordøst, for deretter å ta en ny kraftig kursendring klokken 19.40, der skipet satte kursen mot sørvest. Da denne artikkelen ble publisert, litt før klokken 22 søndag kveld, hadde disse skarpe kursendringene tegnet en seilrute som var mistenkelig kjent.
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ISW skriver i natt:
Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces recently regained lost positions in Kursk Oblast amid reports of continued Ukrainian attacks in the area on August 25. A Russian milblogger claimed on August 25 that Russian forces regained lost positions in Komarovka (southwest of Korenevo) and are repelling small Ukrainian attacks in the area. Several Russian milbloggers claimed on August 25 that Russian forces recaptured Olgovka and Kremyanoye (both east of Korenevo) and that Russian forces are advancing west of Kremyanoye. Another Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces still control Kremyanoye, however
Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces recently regained lost positions in Kursk Oblast amid reports of continued Ukrainian attacks in the area on August 25. A Russian milblogger claimed on August 25 that Russian forces regained lost positions in Komarovka (southwest of Korenevo) and are repelling small Ukrainian attacks in the area. Several Russian milbloggers claimed on August 25 that Russian forces recaptured Olgovka and Kremyanoye (both east of Korenevo) and that Russian forces are advancing west of Kremyanoye. Another Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces still control Kremyanoye, however
Kartplottere sier at det er stoppet opp for Ukraina I Kursk. De bruker både russiske og ukrainske kartplottere for å danne seg et bilde av krigen.
Russland har intensivert søkningen av nye soldater til Kursk.
OAM plotter antyder at Kursk er en dum gjort av Ukraina. At Ukraina må flytte tilbake soldater til østfronten .
Men alt vil vise seg med tiden.
Trusselen fra Belarus/Hviterussland gjør også tingene vanskelig for Ukraina.
Russland har intensivert søkningen av nye soldater til Kursk.
OAM plotter antyder at Kursk er en dum gjort av Ukraina. At Ukraina må flytte tilbake soldater til østfronten .
Men alt vil vise seg med tiden.
Trusselen fra Belarus/Hviterussland gjør også tingene vanskelig for Ukraina.
Sa fra første dag invasjonen startet, "vent 3-4 uker"...Nå har Russerne fått oversikt og ødelagt meste av invasjons-utstyret, så kan de sakte men sikkert mørne opp den Ukrainske hæren med bomber, Samtidlig som det gjøres store fremskritt i Dombas.
Våre forståsegpåere burde sett (holdt kjeft) og lært hvordan en krig skal kriges, Russerne har stålkontroll på det de gjør selv med tømt Nato som har kjøpt våpen og utstyr i alle verdens kanter.
Våre forståsegpåere burde sett (holdt kjeft) og lært hvordan en krig skal kriges, Russerne har stålkontroll på det de gjør selv med tømt Nato som har kjøpt våpen og utstyr i alle verdens kanter.
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ISW skriver i natt:
Russia conducted one of the largest combined series of drone and missile strikes against Ukrainian critical infrastructure to date on August 26.
Russia conducted one of the largest combined series of drone and missile strikes against Ukrainian critical infrastructure to date on August 26.
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Ukraine says it has new homegrown long-range weapon to hit deep into Russia without Western permission
Ukraine's announcement comes after Russia fired dozens of missiles and drones at cities across the country on Monday in a massive attack on power infrastructure
Ukraine says it has a new long-range weapon to strike deep into Russia without asking permission from allies — a homegrown combination of missile and drone that the defense minister vowed Monday would provide “answers” to a wave of Russian bombings.
The Palianytsia was created due to urgent necessity, Ukrainian officials said, as Russia has dominated the skies since the outbreak of the war in February 2022 and Ukraine’s Western allies have placed conditions on use of their long-range missiles in Russia. On Monday, a wave of Russian missiles and drones targeted Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure in the largest such attack in weeks.
Ukraine's announcement comes after Russia fired dozens of missiles and drones at cities across the country on Monday in a massive attack on power infrastructure
Ukraine says it has a new long-range weapon to strike deep into Russia without asking permission from allies — a homegrown combination of missile and drone that the defense minister vowed Monday would provide “answers” to a wave of Russian bombings.
The Palianytsia was created due to urgent necessity, Ukrainian officials said, as Russia has dominated the skies since the outbreak of the war in February 2022 and Ukraine’s Western allies have placed conditions on use of their long-range missiles in Russia. On Monday, a wave of Russian missiles and drones targeted Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure in the largest such attack in weeks.
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Russland sendte flere bølger med raketter og droner mot Kyiv og andre deler av Ukraina natt til tirsdag, ifølge Ukrainas militære.
Fortjent!Big George skrev: ↑tir aug 27, 2024 5:10 am Russland sendte flere bølger med raketter og droner mot Kyiv og andre deler av Ukraina natt til tirsdag, ifølge Ukrainas militære.
Kanskje vestlige medier burde fortelle hvordan Ukraina angriper inne på russisk området.
Og nå tærer krigen stygt på ukrainerne mens russerne får oppfylt sine egne profetier om ukrainere.
Og VG har skjønt at en verdenskrig er like om hjørnet.
Russland har legitim rett til å slå til mot vestlige steder som hjelper Ukraina .Da primært med hjelp til militæret ting.
Og nå tærer krigen stygt på ukrainerne mens russerne får oppfylt sine egne profetier om ukrainere.
Og VG har skjønt at en verdenskrig er like om hjørnet.
Russland har legitim rett til å slå til mot vestlige steder som hjelper Ukraina .Da primært med hjelp til militæret ting.
The FBI warned us about a potensial Russian disinformation about the Biden family and Burisma. It's since been made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation.
Å de fleste tror vi ikke blir utsatt for de samme løgnene om Ukraina i MSM... Nå er Telegram utvikleren arrestert i Frankrike, passer dårlig med noen som ikke blokkerer det vestlige narrativet.
Å de fleste tror vi ikke blir utsatt for de samme løgnene om Ukraina i MSM... Nå er Telegram utvikleren arrestert i Frankrike, passer dårlig med noen som ikke blokkerer det vestlige narrativet.
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Nok en bekreftelse på det vi egentlig visste. Det var mange også her inne som nektet å tro at myndighetene sensurerte SoMe.pølsa skrev: ↑tir aug 27, 2024 1:29 pm The FBI warned us about a potensial Russian disinformation about the Biden family and Burisma. It's since been made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation.
Å de fleste tror vi ikke blir utsatt for de samme løgnene om Ukraina i MSM... Nå er Telegram utvikleren arrestert i Frankrike, passer dårlig med noen som ikke blokkerer det vestlige narrativet.
Har det kommet noen offisielle forklaringer på arrestasjonen av han Telegram-lederen?
Stoltenberg er en lykke for Kina og India og Brics.
Han er først og fremst en farlig klovn.
Så nær 3. Verdenskrig og han sitter der fortsatt og fjaser.
Akkurat nå så taper Harris valgkampen. Alt går galt i både USA og Ukraina og Israel.
Det er utopisk å tro på tostatsløsning . Og det er utopisk å tro at Zelenkyj overlever krigen i Ukraina.
Vi er en hårsbredde fra atomkrig og 3. Verdenskrig.
Heia Biden og Stoltenberg!
Og noen sier at Trump er problemet.
Det er utopisk å tro på tostatsløsning . Og det er utopisk å tro at Zelenkyj overlever krigen i Ukraina.
Vi er en hårsbredde fra atomkrig og 3. Verdenskrig.
Heia Biden og Stoltenberg!
Og noen sier at Trump er problemet.
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Ifølge Røseth har ukrainerne derimot en liten fremgang mot Kursk.
– Ukrainerne er tett på og på vei inn mot Kursk by. De har sprengt broer og hindret 3000 russiske soldater i å trekke seg tilbake og få forsyninger, hevder Røseth og fortsetter:
– Ukrainerne tar forsvarsposisjoner for å holde dem, og jeg tror de kan holde dem i ganske mange måneder.
Tirsdag formiddag kom det ubekreftede meldinger om at ukrainske styrker forsøker å ta seg inn i Belgorod-regionen.
Dette like sør for Kursk, hvor det allerede pågår harde kamper etter at ukrainske styrker tok seg inn den sjette august og okkuperte store områder.
– Ukrainerne er tett på og på vei inn mot Kursk by. De har sprengt broer og hindret 3000 russiske soldater i å trekke seg tilbake og få forsyninger, hevder Røseth og fortsetter:
– Ukrainerne tar forsvarsposisjoner for å holde dem, og jeg tror de kan holde dem i ganske mange måneder.
Tirsdag formiddag kom det ubekreftede meldinger om at ukrainske styrker forsøker å ta seg inn i Belgorod-regionen.
Dette like sør for Kursk, hvor det allerede pågår harde kamper etter at ukrainske styrker tok seg inn den sjette august og okkuperte store områder.
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Ukraine’s stunning military offensive across the border in Kursk has fundamentally reshaped the dynamics of a war that looked to be shifting heavily in Russia’s favor.
Kyiv’s momentum in the coming days and weeks may largely depend on the U.S. move.
War analysts say the conflict has once again reached an inflection point. For Ukraine, some see a golden opportunity that was previously lost because of Biden administration policies limiting how Kyiv could use Western weapons or through America’s slow-walking of fighter jets, long-range artillery, tanks and other tools that Kyiv said it desperately needed at other critical moments in the fight.
Kyiv’s momentum in the coming days and weeks may largely depend on the U.S. move.
War analysts say the conflict has once again reached an inflection point. For Ukraine, some see a golden opportunity that was previously lost because of Biden administration policies limiting how Kyiv could use Western weapons or through America’s slow-walking of fighter jets, long-range artillery, tanks and other tools that Kyiv said it desperately needed at other critical moments in the fight.
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Here is the situation on Wednesday, August 28, 2024.
Fighting
At least six people were killed across Ukraine, including in the central city of Kryvyi Rih and in the southern city of Zaporizhzhia, in a second day of Russian missile and drone attacks. At least nine people were injured. On Monday, Russia launched its biggest aerial assault since the start of its invasion in 2022.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukraine would retaliate against Russia for its attacks. The air force said Ukraine brought down five out of 10 missiles and 60 out of 81 drones Russia fired on Tuesday, with some of them destroyed by Western-supplied F-16 fighter jets. It said it lost track of 10 more drones and they probably came down somewhere on Ukrainian territory. One more crossed into neighbouring Belarus.
Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, Oleksandr Syrskii, said Ukraine had captured 594 Russian soldiers and taken control of 1,294 sq km (almost 500 sq miles) and 100 settlements since launching its incursion into Russia’s western Kursk region on August 6.
Rafael Grossi, director general at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), visited the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant. He said it was vulnerable to a serious accident because it lacked a protective dome that could shield it from missiles, drones and artillery amid the fighting in the region.
Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of Russia’s western Belgorod region, said the situation on the border with Ukraine was “difficult but under control” after reports on Russian Telegram channels that Ukraine attacked a border checkpoint at Nekhoteyevka before being pushed back.
Speaking on television, Ukraine’s Syrskii said the situation around Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine was “fairly difficult” with Russia trying to disrupt Ukraine’s supply lines to the front. “The enemy is using its advantage in personnel, weapons and military equipment, it is actively using artillery and aviation,” he said. Earlier, Russia’s Ministry of Defence said its forces had captured the village of Orlivka, which is near Pokrovsk.
Fighting
At least six people were killed across Ukraine, including in the central city of Kryvyi Rih and in the southern city of Zaporizhzhia, in a second day of Russian missile and drone attacks. At least nine people were injured. On Monday, Russia launched its biggest aerial assault since the start of its invasion in 2022.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukraine would retaliate against Russia for its attacks. The air force said Ukraine brought down five out of 10 missiles and 60 out of 81 drones Russia fired on Tuesday, with some of them destroyed by Western-supplied F-16 fighter jets. It said it lost track of 10 more drones and they probably came down somewhere on Ukrainian territory. One more crossed into neighbouring Belarus.
Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, Oleksandr Syrskii, said Ukraine had captured 594 Russian soldiers and taken control of 1,294 sq km (almost 500 sq miles) and 100 settlements since launching its incursion into Russia’s western Kursk region on August 6.
Rafael Grossi, director general at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), visited the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant. He said it was vulnerable to a serious accident because it lacked a protective dome that could shield it from missiles, drones and artillery amid the fighting in the region.
Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of Russia’s western Belgorod region, said the situation on the border with Ukraine was “difficult but under control” after reports on Russian Telegram channels that Ukraine attacked a border checkpoint at Nekhoteyevka before being pushed back.
Speaking on television, Ukraine’s Syrskii said the situation around Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine was “fairly difficult” with Russia trying to disrupt Ukraine’s supply lines to the front. “The enemy is using its advantage in personnel, weapons and military equipment, it is actively using artillery and aviation,” he said. Earlier, Russia’s Ministry of Defence said its forces had captured the village of Orlivka, which is near Pokrovsk.
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ISW skriver i natt:
Russian forces have made significant tactical advances in the Pokrovsk direction amid reports that Ukrainian forces have withdrawn from select areas southeast of Pokrovsk. Geolocated footage published on August 27 confirms that Russian forces have advanced over two kilometers from their last confirmed position into northwestern Novohrodivka (southeast of Pokrovsk) along Dubinina Street, suggesting that Russian forces additionally hold positions within the central part of the town. A Ukrainian soldier reported in a now-deleted Telegram post that Ukrainian forces withdrew from Novohrodivka, which Russian state media and several Russian milbloggers amplified and used to claim that Russian forces control the majority of the settlement.
Russian forces have made significant tactical advances in the Pokrovsk direction amid reports that Ukrainian forces have withdrawn from select areas southeast of Pokrovsk. Geolocated footage published on August 27 confirms that Russian forces have advanced over two kilometers from their last confirmed position into northwestern Novohrodivka (southeast of Pokrovsk) along Dubinina Street, suggesting that Russian forces additionally hold positions within the central part of the town. A Ukrainian soldier reported in a now-deleted Telegram post that Ukrainian forces withdrew from Novohrodivka, which Russian state media and several Russian milbloggers amplified and used to claim that Russian forces control the majority of the settlement.
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(Reuters) - Ukraine's drones set several oil tanks on fire at the Glubokinskaya oil depot in Russia's Rostov region, several Russian Telegram channels reported on Wednesday.
Rostov's governor, Vasily Golubev, said in a Telegram post that four Ukraine-launched drones were destroyed over the region, but made no mention of an attack on an oil depot.
Reuters could not independently verify the reports. There was no immediate comment from Ukraine
Rostov's governor, Vasily Golubev, said in a Telegram post that four Ukraine-launched drones were destroyed over the region, but made no mention of an attack on an oil depot.
Reuters could not independently verify the reports. There was no immediate comment from Ukraine
1. September er deadline for å få kjøpt droner ++, mot slutten av året tenker jeg vi vil se virkningen med mindre droner. Kina står for ikke mindre enn 90% av produksjon med teknologien som brukes, batterier, motorer, osv osv.. Amerikanerne fikk det akkurat som de ville med at Kina skulle slutte å sende (hjelp) til krigen.
Det sies at det holdes krisemøte i Nato etter ønske fra Zelenskyj. .Østfronten kollapser. Ukraina blir knust.
Kartplottere sier SlavaUkraina i medynk.
Russerne har full kontroll i Kursk.
Nå er det opp til Nato om krigen skal eskalere mer.
Det beste hadde vært å sette Zelenskyj på fly ut av Ukraina .
Krigen vil ikke være over i 2024.
Om ikke Ukraina selv vil noe annet.
Russland kan sette betingelsene men bli fryst varig ut av USA.
Men Tyskland kan fort bli skikkelig "syk" av det.
Vi skal huske på at under denne konflikten skimter vi revansjonisme fra mange hold i Europa.
1917 - 1945-
Husk at mange tyskere har "krav" liggende i øst.
Kartplottere sier SlavaUkraina i medynk.
Russerne har full kontroll i Kursk.
Nå er det opp til Nato om krigen skal eskalere mer.
Det beste hadde vært å sette Zelenskyj på fly ut av Ukraina .
Krigen vil ikke være over i 2024.
Om ikke Ukraina selv vil noe annet.
Russland kan sette betingelsene men bli fryst varig ut av USA.
Men Tyskland kan fort bli skikkelig "syk" av det.
Vi skal huske på at under denne konflikten skimter vi revansjonisme fra mange hold i Europa.
1917 - 1945-
Husk at mange tyskere har "krav" liggende i øst.
Ganske utrolig hva de gjør for at Harris skal vinne valget og fremdeles støtte krigen, her kan de ikke fjerne Kennedy´s stemmesedler fra flere viktige stater når han har trukket seg fra valgkampen mens Biden var det ikke noe problem å fjerne i alle statene.
Velkommen til ett av verdens mest korrupte land Amerika...
Velkommen til ett av verdens mest korrupte land Amerika...
Tror ikke det problemet er særlig stort.pølsa skrev: ↑ons aug 28, 2024 5:32 pm Ganske utrolig hva de gjør for at Harris skal vinne valget og fremdeles støtte krigen, her kan de ikke fjerne Kennedy´s stemmesedler fra flere viktige stater når han har trukket seg fra valgkampen mens Biden var det ikke noe problem å fjerne i alle statene.
Velkommen til ett av verdens mest korrupte land Amerika...
Mer om Trump klarer å takle Harris i debatt.
Et demokratisk land er på mange måter et svakt system som lett kan brukes til korrupsjon.
Men det må være anti korrupsjon lover som må overholdes.
Såkalte NGU eller såkalte uavhengige fond som støtter kandidater eller gruppe er en form for korrupsjon.
I Norge har vi ei gruppe som støtter borgerlig regjering.
Så Norge er også korrupt.
Men honningkrukken skal knuses også med Erna.
Men dette er jo jamming av debatten om Ukranske kollaps.
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ISW skriver i natt:
Multiple reports from Western media indicate that the US government is prohibiting the United Kingdom (UK) from allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles to strike military targets in Russia. The Financial Times (FT) reported on August 27 that a source familiar with the matter stated that Ukraine's use of British and French Storm Shadows may require access to American intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance in areas where Russian forces are jamming the GPS signals that the missiles use for targeting.... The Telegraph reported on August 27 that the UK government supports Ukraine's ability to strike military targets in Russia with Storm Shadow missiles but that the missiles also use unspecified, classified American systems, whose use requires US permis
Multiple reports from Western media indicate that the US government is prohibiting the United Kingdom (UK) from allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles to strike military targets in Russia. The Financial Times (FT) reported on August 27 that a source familiar with the matter stated that Ukraine's use of British and French Storm Shadows may require access to American intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance in areas where Russian forces are jamming the GPS signals that the missiles use for targeting.... The Telegraph reported on August 27 that the UK government supports Ukraine's ability to strike military targets in Russia with Storm Shadow missiles but that the missiles also use unspecified, classified American systems, whose use requires US permis
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